> In 2020, efforts to extend the provisions were not passed by the House of Repr...

nostrademons · 2025-09-12T15:41:59 1757691719

The Wikipedia article is quite confusing, and seems to imply that those two provisions expired because they were the only two provisions not sunsetted already. The table indicates that most of the law sunsetted on March of 2006:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act#Section_expiration...

But then they say "The first act reauthorized all but two Title II provisions. Two sections were changed to sunset on December 31, 2009"

But the first act was passed in 2005, and so it's unclear whether it reauthorized provisions only until 2006 or a longer term.

calibas · 2025-09-12T18:40:31 1757702431

I looked into this a little more, and these were the final two provisions of the Patriot Act, so the did law expire.

Unfortunately, that doesn't mean a whole lot, as many of the provisions live on in the USA Freedom Act.

virtue3 · 2025-09-12T22:41:54 1757716914

Was not aware of the USA Freedom Act

details on it:

Reauthorization of Other Patriot Act Provisions: The USA FREEDOM Act extended two other provisions from the Patriot Act that were set to expire: "Lone Wolf" Provision: Allows for surveillance on individual terrorists who may not be directly linked to a foreign power. "Roving Wiretap" Provision: Enables surveillance to follow a suspect even if they change their communication methods or devices.

Everyone should be super clued in whenever the government chooses to classify something as 'terrorism' because of these provisions.

There appeared to be a lot of "good things" associated with this Act but also... as things go. Not great things such as above.

lazide · 2025-09-13T11:07:51 1757761671

It is no accident that the current admin is classifying suspected drug runners as ‘terrorists’, for example. Namely, the precedent of the Obama era droning of even US citizens under the same label.

mc32 · 2025-09-13T13:52:03 1757771523

If they are going to go to war at least go to war over something that immensely benefits Americans (such as decrease of deaths due to overdosing and consequences of addiction). Definitely better than acting as the enforcers for other nations who are too pussy to do their warring on their own.

mikeyouse · 2025-09-13T14:10:08 1757772608

If we’re going to war over anything it should be authorized by Congress and not just a disinterested president carrying out extrajudicial drone strikes with absolutely no legal authority in US or international law.

mc32 · 2025-09-13T14:19:46 1757773186

Oh, wait, did I miss it? Did we declare war in the ME all these last twenty years without me knowing?

If we’re going to do shit like this at least let it be something we get direct benefits from and not some sheiks and others in the ME or Caucasus.

mikeyouse · 2025-09-13T15:28:50 1757777330

Perhaps you did miss the AUMF, but it was pretty prominent. While Obviously falling short of a declaration of war, it provided a legal basis to be held against. Regardless, we’d finally stopped basically all drone activity in Afghanistan and the ME before the current warmongering admin showed back up with unrestrained drones, bluster about Jihadists in Africa, drone strikes in the Caribbean, F35s over Mexico and B2s flying around the world to drop bombs in Iran. This is the Department of War you know.

Ignoring that all the existing ‘wars’ are still ongoing and pretending like this is some more narrow focus is just silly.

https://archive.is/3ZNCO

throwawayqqq11 · 2025-09-13T18:11:58 1757787118

Lets make a deal, the US can destabilize the middle east as they desire more mission accomplished IS nation building against terror but in return has to take in all the resulting refugees, even when they look a little mexican.

lazide · 2025-09-13T20:58:15 1757797095

Why pay when they can do it now for free?

bilbo0s · 2025-09-12T15:30:15 1757691015

The wording is confusing.

Being confusing, I'm almost certain, was the entire point.