If your goal is to reduce illegal immigration, a much cheaper way is to heavily fine anyone who employs someone without a valid work permit. For most illegal immigrants the motivation is economic and this would reduce that motivation and bring in money from the fines instead of incurring massive cost from detention and deportation without the negative side effect (?) of deterring tourists and legal immigrants.
(Of course, I think the entire goal is economic foot shooting)
The UK does fine employers, its not sufficient to stop it because people work through dodgy contractors.
The UK also fines landlords which has caused problems for people who look or sound foreign, including some British citizens (especially poor ones who tend not to have passports which are the easiest documents to check).
The best proposal I have heard is to provide a cash reward to illegal immigrants for turning in people who knowingly employ them illegally.
The fact that governments do not try these solutions makes me suspect they want to keep that supply of cheap labour - most illegals here work for well under minimum wage.
Yeah, it's totally doable for the US to deport all the illegal immigrants. The consequences would most likely be pretty high inflation, but it's totally doable.
While I dislike the UK requirement to have a passport on your first day at work, I understand why it exists.
The dodgy contractors take a markup for taking the risk away from employers. A lot of them are criminals with connections to people smugglers, are both willing and able to get away with things someone with a more legitimate business would not. They are a layer of plausible deniability.
Currently, it seems the tactics are scaring people who already arrived and are residents. Is that also a good thing or just unintended consequence of trying to scare away the dangerous outsiders?
What do you think the point is of having immigration laws? It’s to control how many immigrants come in and which ones. If you essentially make all the illegal immigration “legal” then you’ve erased the difference.
> He claimed I also couldn’t work for a company in the US that made use of hemp – one of the beverage ingredients. He revoked my visa, and told me I could still work for the company from Canada, but if I wanted to return to the US, I would need to reapply.
> I restarted the visa process and returned to the same immigration office at the San Diego border, since they had processed my visa before and I was familiar with it.
This lady is Canadian. She has her visa revoked. Then she goes back to an immigration office on the San Diego border to apply for a visa? Last I checked, no part of the San Diego border is in Canada. So how did she find herself in U.S. custody with a revoked visa?
9 FAM 403.11-3(B) (U) When You May Not Revoke A Visa
(CT:VISA-1463; 02-01-2022)
a. (U) You do not have the authority to revoke a visa based on a suspected ineligibility or based on derogatory information that is insufficient to support an ineligibility finding, other than a revocation based on driving under the influence (DUI). A consular revocation must be based on an actual finding that the individual is ineligible for the visa.
b. (U) Under no circumstances should you revoke a visa when the individual is in the United States, or after the individual has commenced an uninterrupted journey to the United States, other than a revocation based on driving under the influence (DUI). Outside of the DUI exception, revocations of individuals in, or en route to, the United States may only be done by the Department's Visa Office of Screening, Analysis, and Coordination (CA/VO/SAC).
20 years after that poem was affixed to the Statue of Liberty, a new immigration law was passed that practically banned almost all immigration. It was passed, because the American population rejected the immigration policy that that poem represented.
I don't think that 120 years later, bringing up that poem is meant to evoke some kind of universal American spirit. This is not what Americans actually believed back then, and it's not what Americans believe today. That poem has been rejected at the ballot box.
I’m 100% Bangladeshi on both sides going back to before anyone knows. I wasn’t even born here.
And yes, of course that’s what I’m afraid of! My family left a country full of people like us to come here. Why would we want millions of others coming behind us to turn here into there?
This administration does not want to reduce illegal immigration. They just want to create fear and headlines. If you wanted to reduce illegal immigration, you have a very easy way of doing it through mandating e-verify.
I agree. It seems like the goal is not reducing illegal immigration, but creating fear. This is why they’re coming after lawful residents for things like political speech.
> Millions of illegal immigrants and putative refugees came over in the last four years
Refugees are good. We do welcome your hurdled masses yearning to be free, after all. People should not be afraid to come to America, and I find the sentiment that they should to be disgusting.
As far as illegal crossings, 4 years is a very odd and politicized way to say that; you don’t care about the millions of crossings that happened in the 4 years before?
Obama deported more people than anyone in history, and Biden deported more than Trump. Deporting “suspected gang members” with no due process is antithetical to the American system. We purport to be a nation of laws and justice.
If you want to decrease illegal crossings then do that - but illegally invoking _war powers_ to perform extraordinary rendition as a deterrent is plainly not the way to do it.
Because this has historically worked so well with the War On Drugs and the sheer amount of people America puts into prison, yeah? Weird how no matter how hard we ratchet up draconian enforcement measures it doesn't seem to work.
And in this scenario, we're chasing away tourists, foreign talent and more. But hey, at least those sweet private prisons get their kickback from the layers of corruption.
Illegal border crossings have dropped to almost zero. The policy is working. Private ICE detention centers don’t get any money if people don’t cross the border illegally.
Border apprehensions have dropped to historic lows. That does not mean border crossings have dropped to historic lows. I also don't fully trust data coming out of this administration.
