I mean, presumably Teams?

Haven't these people suffered enough!?

In my experience Teams is great for calls (both audio and video), horrible for chat. I guess because it's built on top of Skype codebase? (just a guess)

But it's out of the scope for this discussion.

The chat portion of Teams is so very poorly designed compared to other corporate chat systems I've used.

I mean even copy and paste doesn't work correctly. You highlight text, copy it and Teams inserts its own extra content in there. That's basic functionality and it's broken.

Or you get tagged into conversations and with no way to mute them. For a busy chat that alert notification can be going off continuously. Of course the alert pop up has been handily placed to cover the unmute icon in calls, so when someone asks you a question you can't answer them.

Teams feels like a desperate corporate reaction to Slack with features added as a tickbox exercise but no thought given to actual usability.

I never thought that Slack or the whatever Google's chat system is currently called was in any way outstanding until I was made to use the dumpster fire that is Teams.

It's a classic example of where the customers, corporate CTOs, are not the end users of a product.

I hope you'll never have to use Webex.

Sweet fuck after covid I forgot about webex. I think I might have ptsd from that.

The Teams/Zoom/Other platform arguments have nothing on how unfriendly, slow, and just overall Trash webex is.

Working at a company that still uses it, but with a change on the horizon.

It still, in the year 2023, plays an unmutable beep noise for every single participant that joins, with no debouncing whatsoever.

It astounded me that that company was either unwilling or unable to cash in on work from home during covid.

That has to be among history's biggest missed opportunities for a tech company.

Anyone here associated with them? Why didn't they step up?

I can relate

teams is the absolute worst

Have you used Google meet though? Even teams isn't that bad.

All I notice is that my time going from calendar to Teams call is ~30 seconds due to slow site loading and extra clicks. Calendar to Meet call is two clicks and loads instantly with sane defaults for camera/microphone settings. It's significantly better than teams or zoom in those regards.

If you're fully immersed in the Microsoft ecosystem, going from your Outlook calendar to a Teams call is a single click, and the desktop app doesn't take as long to get into the call.

If you're fully immersed in the Microsoft ecosystem I pray for you

I use both and shudder every time I am forced to use the lame web app alternatives to Word, Excel & PowerPoint on desktop - mostly because my child's school runs on web alternatives. Ironically even on Android, Outlook seems to be the only major client that actually provides a unified inbox across mail accounts due to which I switched & use my Gmail accounts through it.

I have used both, and vastly prefer Google Meet. I prefer something that works in Firefox.

Even Zoom works well in Firefox. Still prefer the UX of Google Meet though.

What’s the issue with Meet? It always seems to work when I need it.

Having used both in a professional capacity I have to say Teams is shockingly worse than Google Meet.

I’ve never had my laptop’s sound like an Apache helicopter while on a call with Google Meet yet simply having Teams open had me searching for a bomb shelter.

Teams sucks compared to Meet, IMHO.

Given the GP's username, maybe some Wakandan tech?

We at dyte.io are planning to launch something here! Hoping to solve all the challenges people face with Teams, Meet, Zoom, etc.

Shall we jump on a dyte? Gets reported to HR for unwanted advances

Shall we jump on a dyte? Sure, can you swim though?

How are you going to break into and differentiate yourself in an already oversaturated market of video call competitors?