> It would be a real shame if we lose any chance of full self driving over a misunderstanding about the system being "not perfected yet"
We can still have self driving cars, but they should be developed within a culture that values safety. Tesla is not such a culture. We know this because after the first accident that resulted in decapitation, Tesla collectively shrugged and made the problem worse by removing sensors, which predictably resulted in a second decapitation. They collectively shrugged after that one as well, and again made the problem worse by removing more sensors.
Tesla does not value safety, and their YOLO attitude toward driverless cars, in which the general public is forced to participate in their beta test whether we like it or not, is holding the driverless car industry back. They are not friends of the cause, and the sooner they are prevented from running beta tests on the general public (which have caused deaths), the sooner the industry as a whole can move forward. Reckless engineering by Tesla will not result in a net gain in safety for everyone. Safety is hard even when done intentionally, it won't be achieved as a second order effect of Tesla's "move fast and break things" ethos.
3 years ago.
Its entirely capable of negotiating public roads with no user input.
Absolutely nowhere has Tesla said (as far as I have seen anyway) "Teslas can full self drive with 100% safety on public roads".
But hey, the hate on Elon Musk regardless of the facts crew is out in force. Personally I think they are worse than the believe everything Musk thinks will be ready next year crew, but neither are worth the downvotes.
This is a weird framing. Are Teslas unsafe? Either they are or they aren't, right? Are other cultures that "value" safety producing safer cars? If they're not, does that say anything about the value of "values"? What's the goal here, values or safety?
It was an expression. Certainly you agree it's quantifiable, right? (Unlike "values"). Questions of the form "are accidents, as defined this way, blah blah blah blah, more or less likely likely to occur in a Tesla than in a member of this other suitably defined vehicle cohort, blah blah blah" ... are answerable in a binary fashion. Right?
What they’re doing by removing different types of sensor is -simplifying- the Tesla system design and bringing it closer to human senses (ie eyesight alone).
Apparently Hacker News thinks humans are safer than Autopilot. So why wouldn’t we advocate a highly advanced vision-based model in cars, rather than a complex, awkwardly synchronised fusion of different classes of sensor?
Take LiDAR, for example. Some claim it’s superior to Tesla’s vision sensors. But LiDAR can’t detect colour, so how will it read traffic lights? Its model of the world will have to be synced up to a camera vision-based model of the world. Syncing two 3D (4D in fact) models precisely is a pretty tough problem to solve. Complexity becomes a risk in its own right.
Eyesight is a combination of the sensory organ and the processing that it feeds into. That is, it includes your brain. Unfortunately Tesla's "brain" is vastly more stupid than most adult humans. Extra sensory organs are a quite reasonable way to compensate for reduced cognitive capability. So, this idea of simplification seems dishonest to me.
We can still have self driving cars, but they should be developed within a culture that values safety. Tesla is not such a culture. We know this because after the first accident that resulted in decapitation, Tesla collectively shrugged and made the problem worse by removing sensors, which predictably resulted in a second decapitation. They collectively shrugged after that one as well, and again made the problem worse by removing more sensors.
Tesla does not value safety, and their YOLO attitude toward driverless cars, in which the general public is forced to participate in their beta test whether we like it or not, is holding the driverless car industry back. They are not friends of the cause, and the sooner they are prevented from running beta tests on the general public (which have caused deaths), the sooner the industry as a whole can move forward. Reckless engineering by Tesla will not result in a net gain in safety for everyone. Safety is hard even when done intentionally, it won't be achieved as a second order effect of Tesla's "move fast and break things" ethos.