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> there seems to be an angry pocket of men

Nice, very respectful and fair minded. Definitely going to encourage an honest discussion now.



If we can agree to just ignore that part, I think there's still a good discussion to be had.


I dunno, she sounds pretty combative and started the thread acting aggrieved. It's not a great look for a "developer evangelist".

There's a good discussion here but maybe it shouldn't involve her.


I feel it's difficult to have good discussion if that's the stance their developer evangelist approaches this topic from. Not only is it tacitly offensive to men, but it marginalizes the women who develop for Safari and have experienced all the same frustrating issues the men have.


I'll say your statement seems strictly worse than the one you are quoting. She had a valid point and a way of characterizing those making the other point that doesn't even seem insulting. You, on the other hand, want to devolve the conversation entirely into irrelevancy.

It's not likely your post will change her tweet, but hopefully this post can salvage this part of the thread.

To that end: Chrome seems to currently be in a more dominant position than IE ever was. Even Microsoft was unable to build a competing browser, and they threw real resources at it. The only thing that is holding the line is Safari (I use Firefox, but its a rounding error). I think it's vitally important we don't let Google keep leveraging their control until they own the entire internet. AMP seems to have imploded, which is good, but it won't matter if for 99% of the people it's opening Chrome or Chromium, going to Google and typing in where they want to go.


I don't see how bringing up gender in an effort to dismiss criticism helps in anyway. It is irrelevant, unless the point she is trying to make is something like "men are often mean on twitter" which could be true, but doesn't have anything to do with Safari.

It is insulting, because any man who reads it will think their criticism of Safari will be dismissed, not because its invalid, but because of their gender.


Wait? It's the "men" that people were objecting to? I thought it was the "angry group".

That's even stupider than I thought.




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